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vegantrav

You pose a great question, Scott: "How does the good, the beautiful, the sublime, or really any valuation arise?"

That's a difficult question, I think, for anyone, regardless of whether or not one believes in some type of deity or divinity. I think a fairly decent answer can be fleshed out by non-theists by mining the depths of human psychology, biology, culture, and social dynamics, but I understand that such an answer, without appealing to something transcendental, will still leave most of those with a spiritual or religious perspective feeling that something is still missing.

I would, however, question whether God's existence really answers this question: even if we grant that God exists (and I think Tillich would take me to task for speaking of God as existing), I don't see how the existence of God provides us with a satisfying answer to the questions of meaning, value, beauty, and the sublime. If God exists, it does not necessarily follow from the existence of God that now we can understand and delineate a fully formed answer to the question of why there is beauty and value in the world. These remain, with or without God, very difficult issues for us to understand.

Finally, not all non-theists are strict reductionists: many of believe in emergence (not of any mystical type, though: just the emergence of complex and unpredictable properties from the interaction of simple parts: i.e. hydrogen and oxygen atoms combining to form the unique and unpredictable, based on their own intrinsic properties, property of wetness). Beauty and value emerge from the lower level properties of our physical and chemical make up, but beauty and value cannot be wholly explained in solely those materialistic terms because they are emergent properties.

peace and love,
vegantrav

Scott Jones

Yes, that's why I was clarifying from my first post that it really isn't so much a problem of atheism as a problem of reductionism.

And I agree that the question I am posing does not lead irrefutably to the existence of a deity. It is no proof.

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